This from Carl's blog:

Speaking of DNR, you're not going to believe how awesome this week's show is (it will be online by Wed. morning). It started as a Java discussion with Mark Pollack and Ted Neward, and then Ted invited Don Box to join us, and I basically sat back and let the three of them talk for 2 freaking hours! The fur was flying a couple times, and the discussion was great! I added what I could to it, but I was really outclassed by these guys. Mere mortals should study this discussion in great detail. Lots of good stuff. I'll post it's availability here, and of course you can subscribe to the podcast feeds to automatically download it.